Avoiding SpamHaus!?

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  1. Calver Fitz

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    I send lot of emails. Couple years ago sending emails was lot easier! But I got nothing to do, I have to adapt with it!


    Am confused! Am trying to figure out how does SpamHaus blacklist works!


    Am using PMTA as SMTP gateway to manage the sending from 64 IPs and 1 domain to send emails.

    but after each sending all the IPs get listed in SpamHaus CSS.


    Once get listed on SpamHaus, Major ESP will reject my emails!


    I tried to send from 63 instead of 64, all the 63 were listed again except the one I isolated (did not configure it to send emails)..


    After doing some researches I found that spamhaus is design to list all the senders that using many IPs and domains to send emails, I figured that maybe SpamHaus can know how many IPs are sending the same campaign. then list them all. using spam traps!!!?



    Later then! I separated the IPs in an attempt to isolate the sending. I used 9 new domains. (7 Domains for for 64 IPs each domain used to config 10 IPs and 2 domains for the rDNS).


    Then, I slowed the software to send the exact number of emails PowerMTA can handle at the time (So emails won’t queue up on PowerMTA and the recipients won’t receive the emails in long time delay).


    So I was rotating IPs domains and SMTPs.


    In that test some of the IPs got lists and some were clean.


    I still have not got the chance to test test rotating subjects and contents along will the previous test ( rotating IPs domains and SMTPs).


    Am still trying to figure out how does spamhaus list IPs. and how other senders with /23 and /24 ..etc manage to avoid spamhaus, and stay out of their radar!!?

    Thanks a bunch!
     
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    Get better data.
     
  3. Calver Fitz

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    Thank mate!

    But even with better data, as long as emails are spread across many IPs and domain SpamHaus will list the IPs. :(
    I thought of getting smaller number of IPs 13 IPs from different ranges and warm them up with better data.
    And I was wondering there are lotta senders use many /24 block. I've been following their IPs and domains (I used a costume script to check IP blacklist and notify me)
    for a while, they did not get blacklisted on spamhaus.

    I don't know what am missing!

    SOS help me please guys
     
  4. damian

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    no srsly....get better data

    theres a reason youre IPs are getting blacklisted in the first place
     
  5. Calver Fitz

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    hahahah, I will get better data! you're right I had a sender was only sending autoresponder messages to an optin list. had no issue with it at all. never missed the inbox.
    I guess I was just looking for short cuts! ;)

    Thanks a bunch domain! :)
     
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    Scrub your data.

    Even the top fresh lists are going to have a shitload of traps.
     
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    Thanks guys!
     
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    What issues are you having with Spamhaus? CSS, DBL, SBL etc. Each are triggered differently...
     
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    SpamHaus CSS.
     
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    The most common these days is the Spamhaus CSS listing. The trigger for CSS can be trap based or even DNS based. Some GI mailers see their IPs listed on CSS shortly after a DBL listing, and it's realistic for a DBL listing to occur even before a drop. DBL listings (before a drop) usually indicate a problem with your account at the registrar where the domain was registered.

    Some others have seen a correlation between CSS being triggered by mailing to GI domains that are hosted on certain MX servers.

    Accepting CSS as an inevitability has been the most popular way I've seen mailers to continue to make money with GI data. That usually entails increasing your sending speeds dramatically during the time period of campaign start to when CSS actually hits. Another way to combat CSS would be segregating GI data by MX, sorting out which email addresses actually use CSS and those that don't.

    @Calver Fitz, if you're mailing a mixed list try taking out all of your GI records first, and only mail to the larger ISPs and cable companies (ie.@gmail.com,@comcast.net,@aol.com etc.). Most Spamhaus traps 'live' in general internet domain extensions...
     
  11. Calver Fitz

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    @Deliver Thanks a bunch man! That really helped!
     

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