FBL Master File

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  1. DaMadHatter

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    I am just curious if anyone will occasionally mail their master FBL file?

    Keep in mind, this is AOL FBL file where someone is clicking the spam button once. This is not the master suppression file.

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    Never - Honestly, sounds like desperation to me..

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    You missed the point in your effort to be less than helpful. I will add in some additional information so others see what I'm getting at here.

    As a mailer, you have a lot of data, and out of that data you get a lot of unsubscribes and a FBL's that build up over time. I was doing data clean up over the past week, I noticed a combined list of roughly 500-750k between FBL's and unsubscribes (again, this is a different list than suppression and screamers). Obviously these people are active and the email addresses good. Typically we remove them immediately if they click off the FBL even one time, or manually unsubscribe. It's generally not a concern as we have a ton of data from membership sites, social networks, blogs, newsletters, among other sources from 15 plus years of running websites.

    Anyway, my point here was that they might not like one offer, but you might have something else that would be of interest to them. Instead of removing them for a single FBL, you try them a couple of times before they move from valid email to screamer file. Obviously no one wants to deal with a screamer, but should you remove them from your master list for a single FBL or wait for a 3 strikes and out before you move them to the never-ever file.

    With that being said, cool it on the trolling, and stick to the point at hand. Thanks.
     
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    Don't cry because you didn't like my answer.. Mailing a list of known complainers is desperate, stupid, and I can go on... But you'd only cry more.

    SG
     
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    I wasn't crying, I am simply asking you politely to stop being an idiot.

    However I can now see that is probably beyond your capacity to simply act sane, considering you're history and that you've been banned from here multiple times. Additionally, many of the regulars constantly bitch slap you on a daily basis about your platform, data center, and know-it-all antics. While I admit I previously rarely paid it any mind as to why the well known experienced industry guys consistently put you in your place, I can now understand why. You pretty much have both earned, and ask for it with the way you choose to conduct yourself on MF.

    /2cts
     
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    SuperGenii www.DataMCP.com

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    Many people are sensitive to my blunt honesty..

    Anyone else here think madhatter should run his FBL suppression file? Or am I the asshole for saying its a bad idea.. Then he goes off subject to write a soliloquy insulting me.. I am sure everyone here thinks your OP is a brilliant idea hatter.. Good luck with that..

    SG



    PS You ask stupid fucking questions, you're gonna get a response from me..
     
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    I've run multiple tests over the years, and in general, I've found "once a scomp, always a scomp". Meaning quite simply, 50% of them are just from people too lazy to unsub through normal means (and will continue to do so the second and third time around), and the others are people who just have their mouse pointer on Spam as they feel with each push of the button they're firing a loaded weapon at the sender.

    One thing you can do to help your odds of survival using this technique is to cross reference any previous clickers to your scomps, and just try to re-engage those people. Anything outside that periphery is a risk for serious FBLs damaging your IP rep.
     
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    Thanks Round, that is all I was looking for.

    As previously mentioned, if someone clicks off the FBL once, we pull them from the file and they are basically shit canned. Same for unsubs. We figured the same as you laid out, if they're going to complain once, they will keep complaining no matter what the offer was. I know we've talked with other mailers over the years who more of a 3 strikes and you're out sort of thing for bounces, scomps, and such as their logic was that it could be offer related versus straight screamer.

    All the same, thank you for the straight answer Round, much appreciated. We've always done it the way you laid out whether an FBL or an unsub. I was just curious of that was more the standard versus a 3 strikes and out sort of thing when it came to data management.

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    This is a dangerous interpretation of compliance, gentlemen. Balsam is reading this and creaming in his pants..

    The FBL is triggered because someone declared your email as SPAM. And you wonder if its a good idea to reengage them? So what if its not technically an unsub, it is absolutely indirectly intended to stop your emails.

    I take issue with this because I believe we can operate in this industry without sending emails to people who opt out, complain, whatever.. Don't think for a second that they might have been interested in a different offer..

    I am speaking out strongly against the thought of doing this, and it reinforces why someone so careless, to post a thread of such reckless data management, shouldn't have penthouse access.

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    Thank you for continuing to reinforce to the rest of the forum who did not know much about you before this thread why you and your previous comedy relief routine antics, as one of the few members on this forum since it's existence, has been banned multiple times and is continuously bitch slapped by the vast majority of people on this forum on a daily basis.

    I generally never paid you any mind before this thread as you seem to be one of those people who like to fight with complete strangers on a daily basis for whatever end along with beating your chest screaming to the heavens for anyone who will listen

    I on the other hand see things from a different point of view knowing what I know from the better part of a decade in this business. That is, this is a very small industry or community on the whole and it's best not to burn bridges. Nor am I going to sit around and fight with strangers on forums over ego, pride, ignorance that neither makes me any money or adds inches to my dick. With that said, I'll leave you to it.

    /2cts
     
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    If you have clickers who also are scomps, it can only mean one thing: at some point prior to the scomp, the user DID open and clicked your offer. They didn't immediately opt out. How long did this go on for? Who knows. Perhaps your FROM confused them one mailing and they mistakenly hit SPAM.

    The point is that an unsub is a 100% certain removal whereas a scomp CAN technically be done by accident. Going with a clickers matchup and trying re-engage is respectable if there's enough there and you can re-enforce your branding to that audience with a re-engagement email.
     
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    Take your meds hatter.. No one is fighting with you.. You're doing that all yourself.. I am simply disagreeing with the entire premise of your OP, and you are taking it personally. You want to take it personally and talk shit about me, thats fine.. If that makes you feel better..

    You're the guy asking quesitons like "How long does your AOL mail before being blocked" and "Do you mail your FBLs" - Perhaps your next thread will be "How long do you mail your aol fbls before your IPs are blocked"

    Stop posting threads just to hear yourself blather about bullshit only to find reasons to insult someone you don't know, never met, never will, just because they disagree with you.. Poor baby...

    To anyone reading this thread considering mailing your FBL lists, don't say I didn't warn you and come out aggressivly against any such action targeting individuals who clearly don't want your mail.

    If you had such extensive experience and knowledge, you wouldn't be asking the dumbest questions..

    You should go back to being a worthless IP Broker.. How'd that work out for you?



    SG
     
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    What about clickers who unsub? Whats the difference? Does this mean its ok to cross reference all your unsubs against previous clickers and say,

    "oh maybe they unsubbed by accident, or maybe they want this medical billing offer and i fucked up and sent them russian dating.. Let me ignore their removal request and try again.."

    Its much more dangerous to click a link in an email than it is to click the SPAM button. Its up to compliant mailers to honor those removal requests..

    If your reaction is to insult me rather than defend your position, perhaps you need to reevaluate your position..

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    We make more selling ip's than you ever make in a year mailing. That's a fact. You obviously do not know who all we deal with in this space, and have for years. Although that doesn't really surprise most on this forum reading your endless know-it-all nonsense.

    As for the rest of your bantering fodder, the only person that is continue posting in this thread to pontificate is you. You keep going on and on in this thread like the joke you are in this industry. No one is mailing their FBL list nor at any point has anyone advocated it in this thread. A simple question was asked about removing FBL/unsubs on the first time or third time. Round answered it, and that was it. The rest of this is little more than you twisting the O.P. into more of your blowviating and rantings to hear yourself speak.

    At this point you're just beating a dead horse and reinforcing why you are endlessly picked on by MF regulars.
     
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    Perhaps you need to be banned again to gain some perspective on how to work and play well with others.

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    Hatter, congrats on your great wealth and success.. I love it when guys feel the need to say "I make more money than you ever will.. blah blah blah" What that has to do with abusing your FBLs escapes me..

    I responded to your OP and you went off on an insulting rant, why? Just to impress certain members here? Trying to get back into the penthouse perhaps?

    You picked a fight with your first reply to me, and kept trying to throw punches with every one of your posts... You reference my multiple bans, people don't like me, but guess what.. I AM STILL HERE. I have penthouse access as well. Maybe someone thinks my contribution is valued by members here.. Starting to wonder who values your "contributions"...

    There was no need for any of what I quoted from you above.. None whatsoever.. But you went down that road, and now you get to deal with me.. You chose to make it personal.. I was trying to keep it about FBLs, but you chose to make it about me..

    So me is what you get..

    And I don't mind pissing all over this worthless thread because that is exactly what it is... pissed on worthlessness.. And a overall bad idea to promote or even suggest, in this forum..

    SG
     
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    SG ain't going anywhere, I never received my jug of DERP hair gel for trying out his system and feel strongly I should get a free 200 gallon sample from his warehouse along with 200 bottles of Hurr Durr Hair Spray.
     
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    Here's the tracking number.. 23786324756HATTERSMYBITCH786238746

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    Apparently you can't read. Or you willfully are being ignorant as this was already discussed that no one is doing anything with their FBL's other than removing them, and unsubscribes, on the first flagging. This was already detailed in multiple previous posts that this was the standard practice to this point.

    Again, this is a prime example of you stirring the pot or trolling for effect. No one is saying that you should do anything different, nor advocating it in any way between myself or Roundy's replies.

    How old are you? Who in business actually would care about this sort of thing? Honestly.

    If I wanted PH access, I would ask Round for it.

    You were asked politely to piss off. No one "attacked you" in any way. You took being dismissed as personal.

    Apparently some of the largest ad networks, and ESP's in the game who need ip's. :wavey:
     
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    Calling me a troll was both an intended insult, and meant to suggest I am targeting your posts.. If you can't face reality or stand behind your words, and have to lie to yourself to feel better about it, grow some balls..

    SG
     
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