Heh, well this was expected...

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  1. quicknrandom

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    Well this was expected but not so quickly though :(


    http://screencast.com/t/3OZKTf4cnNx

    This is the same result across my /27

    I'm guessing neutralisted doesn't effect my mailing correct?

    Onto the next IPs? Or try to get unlisted on the blacklists?
     
  2. PushSend

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    I think I'd worry more about the 11 blacklistings...
     
  3. roundabout

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    What are we looking at here? 11 blacklistings doesnt tell us much... except your data is poo poo. Did you check the range before you started? What specific blacklistings are they?
     
  4. Mailer

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    A few more details would be helpful, like roundabout said.

    Are you cleaning this data? What are the blacklists specifically?

    You worked so hard to get this going, why not try and salvage the ip's?
     
  5. quicknrandom

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    I checked them before I started mailing with them and they were clean. The blacklists are as followed.

    510 Software Group Blackholes
    APEWS Level 1
    APEWS Level 2
    Barracuda Reputation Block List
    Barracuda Reputation Block List (for SpamAssassin)
    D. D. N. S. B. L.
    invaluement DNSBL ivmSIP
    Pedantic.org netblock
    Pedantic.org spam
    rfc-ignorant.org abuse
    Spam Grouper Net block list

    And neutralisted at senderbase and spam eating monkey

    I was led to believe the list was cleaned before I mailed to it. I do know IW and Quickie are the 2 best out there for cleaning data correct? Would I still need to clean the data with them before mailing to GI?
     
  6. Fun4uoc

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    Let me guess, it was a data broker who led you to believe this?

    When you get any data from anywhere other than your own optins, just assume it's dirty as shit.
     
  7. quicknrandom

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    Yeah I know that now heh. But doesn't typical GI mailing burn out ips anyways??
     
  8. DataDogg

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    If you pay $50/mm, assume that. Not all data guys are bad.
     
  9. DoldGigga

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    Basketball...being on fire is great.

    Email marketing...being on fire...not so good.
     
  10. emailjedi

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    The data is very dirty.

    Run thru IW for REAL traps.

    Yes you need to do this ESPECIALLY for GI. Very few traps exist on cable domains and TLDs have their own traps.

    If you want to get rid of complainers/screamers as well, suggest a run thru Quickie who is getting much better at their analysis.
     
  11. quicknrandom

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    So how would someone go about cleaning their list without IW or Quickie? Especially for GI?

    Would you just blast to the whole list to hit the bounces and add them to the suppression list?

    Or am I missing something here?
     
  12. jellyfish

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    They would level the fuck up, scan everything you can relating to the data. Then look at it and find any patterns that can be identified as traps. Remove that data, etc.

    What do you have against cleaning your data though?!
     
  13. quicknrandom

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    I don't have anything against cleaning my data. I was wondering how cleaning was done before IW or Quickie was around.

    $250-$500 per million cleaned is a hell of an investment when starting out.

    If there was an alternative to doing this that requires a bit more work, I'm willing to do that instead. That's my point.
     
  14. DKPMO

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    Then maybe you should try mailing your dirty data and see how much that will cost you. LOL
     
  15. DoldGigga

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    So you're "just starting out" and already looking for quality-compromising shortcuts? What were you doing before you decided to become a spammer? Let me guess - you were a union worker. List cleaning services came into existence because the paradigm for email marketing changed. Before the list cleaners existed mailers didn't care about list maintenance because they really didn't need to - it was all volume and there was little there to stop it in terms of software or legislation. Things are a little different today...just a little.
     
  16. Solarus

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    The only way to do it before IW and quickie was list segregation and isolation. You would burn through money isolating your list until you cut it down small enough to mark them as traps/screamers.

    If you're balking at 250$ / mm for cleaning, then you're most likely in the wrong place. Email is not a poor man's game anymore.
     
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    this is funny! union worker.... spot on.
    If that is really the case then hes too busy taking smoke breaks to be bothered with cleaning the data or collecting his own.

    HI id like to open a restaurant but I dont have enough money for refrigerator to keep my food from spoiling. Its too much of an investment. Can i just cut the mold off the bread?

    Sorry new guy. I couldnt resist. But let this be a lesson in any business. You cant cut corners and you need the proper capital and investment before undertaking anything. If you dont then dont bother.

    Save you heartache after heartache. You can make a lot of money in this but its going to cost money. best of luck.
     
  18. quicknrandom

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    These are the perks of being the new guy. I can ask questions with real answer from the people that know it most. I appreciate all of your efforts in steering me in the right direction.

    Hopefully my questions can help other newbies coming in as well.

    So basically clean your lists... or pay the consequences in terms of servers and IPs in the long run.
     
  19. arbydar

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    Yep, pretty much. At one time I was the new guy (to scrubbing) and wondered why the hell I should pay somebody to reduce my file size when I had paid for the raw file. Well it became very apparent once I hit my first SBL - a hard kick to the gut. Lesson learned! Pay head and learn from other's mistakes - or learn 'em the hard way on your own.
     
  20. airin

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    The guys on this thread are spot on.

    Even when you luck out and fall into some premium data it is best to get it cleaned. They call them TRAPS for a reason and SH, Spambulance chasers and others put a considerable amount of effort seeding every list they come across. It's unfortunate, but the reality of the situation.
     

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