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Good to have you here OJQ! I'm always interested in trying out new networks, I hope I can throw some traffic your way soon. If anybody's run with you that cares to share their experience I'd love to see some reviews. :driver:
That'd be great! I really think I have a unique perspective as an affiliate manager because I WAS an emailer for almost 5 years, so I've dealt with the best AND the worst affiliate managers out there... I'd love ANY feedback anyone can give me that can make me a better AM and make OJQ an even better network than we already are!
Morning all my fellow marketers... Hope everyone had a great weekend! Who wants to make some money this week? :32:
Hey Leroy ... were already working with you guys right now. Getting some our offers setup as we speak. However, I'm going to have Marc send over our top email offers list as well on top of the stuff that I'm setting up with you guys currently. Jeff. AIM : jeffOJQ skype: jeffOJQ
Done and Done Leroy! Lets chat soon... I'd love to hear your feedback on the campaigns I sent over...
Hope everyone had a great weekend! I'd love to see some traffic from some (or all of) you Mailerforum guys... Anything I can do to make it happen, let me know!
This Weeks Top Email Offers... Hey all... I just wanted to give everyone a heads up on what's been performing well internally for us and with my mailers... Name: ADT Home Security CID: 141975 Category: Computer & Electronics Payout: $38.00 Type: CPA Allowed Traffic: Email Tracking URL: http://www.clickintime42.com/click.track?CID=141975&AFID=-1&SID= Name: Legal- Avandia Avandia is one of the most commonly used drugs to treat type 2 diabetics email only, no incent traffic allowed CID: 169341 Category: Health & Beauty Payout: $190.00 Type: CPA Allowed Traffic: Email Tracking URL: http://www.clickintime42.com/click.track?CID=169341&AFID=-1&SID= Name: Best Penny Stocks Pays on first page email submit. US & Email traffic only. Must be at least 18 years old. No subprime traffic or incentivized marketing. CID: 168537 Category: Commerce Payout: $4.25 Type: CPA Allowed Traffic: Email Tracking URL: http://www.clickintime42.com/click.track?CID=168537&AFID=-1&SID= Name: Children’s Book of the Month Club Join now and get 6 books for $2 plus a FREE gift with membership in Children's Book-of-the-Month Club! Join now and take advantage of this a... CID: 164435 Category: Books/Magazines/Media Payout: $20.00 Type: CPA Allowed Traffic: Contextual; CPC; Display; Incentivized Tracking URL: http://www.clickintime42.com/click.track?CID=164435&AFID=-1&SID= Name: Legal - Crestor Crestor is a very popular Cholesterol medication now being linked to US only, Email only. No incent traffic allowed. CID: 169346 Category: Medical Payout: $90.00 Type: CPA Allowed Traffic: Email Tracking URL: http://www.clickintime42.com/click.track?CID=169346&AFID=-1&SID= Name: Degree Scout Description: Extremely well designed education portal that converts highly. CID: 144602 Category: Education/Career Payout: $21.00 Type: CPA Allowed Traffic: Contextual; CPC; Display; Email; Search; Social Tracking URL: http://www.clickintime42.com/click.track?CID=144602&AFID=-1&SID= Name: Dermitage Skin Anti Aging System Dermitage Anti Aging System - 30 Day Risk Free Trial! Revolutionary system lifts & firms skin without injections. Dermità ge helps ... CID: 145061 Category: Health & Beauty Payout: $30.00 Type: CPA Allowed Traffic: Contextual; CPC; Display; Email; Search Tracking URL: http://www.clickintime42.com/click.track?CID=145061&AFID=-1&SID= Name: Home Warranty 101 -Priv You must redirect all traffic through your own redirection process if you are marketing this offer via email! Unless otherwise noted in the ... CID: 158915 Category: Home & Garden Payout: $21.00 Type: CPA Allowed Traffic: Email Tracking URL: http://www.clickintime42.com/click.track?CID=158915&AFID=-1&SID= Name: Pimsleur Approach Pimsleur Approach: Scientific discovery reveals the secret to learning a new language in 10 days! CID: 167075 Category: Education/Career Payout: $44.00 Type: CPA Allowed Traffic: Email Tracking URL: http://www.clickintime42.com/click.track?CID=167075&AFID=-1&SID= Name: Score Direct - Priv. FREE CREDIT SCORE offer backed by Experian! Converts on a 3rd page submit with order of Free Trial. No Incentivized Traffic Allowed. SEA... CID: 154596 Category: Other Payout: $24.00 Type: CPA Allowed Traffic: Contextual; CPC; Display; Email; Search Tracking URL: http://www.clickintime42.com/click.track?CID=154596&AFID=-1&SID= Hit me up on AIM and mention mailerforum for our SPECIAL pricing...
I believe your issue with OJQ has been cleared up. I regret that the mistake was an oversight on our end and payment has been made by wire immediately. I apologize for any issues this may have caused.
Last Time For This Here Leroy - I expect a certain group will be updated post haste if/when this is resolved. And so you know, I'm not going see this forum become a place like the facebook group started for this reason. I expect there are enough online outlets for this that you don't need to post it here. True - OR - false, this kinda shit can hurt everyone involved, so please, take it somewhere else. I'm not taking sides here, I just feel this is not the place to bring it. Thank you guys.
Nope, and that's gonna be the extent of it. I will not see this forum turn into a shit slinging site just because someone thinks someone owes them money. If sales were backed out due to fraud, bad clicks, fake cc's. etc. it could and WOULD turn into what is already available on facebook. Not here. You don't want to run with a network, fine. But there are WAY more downsides than upsides to allowing this to go on here. Not to mention THIS case is network to network. Not a mailer getting stiffed by a network. So let it be nymailer.
We're not about that NY.. while I agree if one of the networks listed here is notoriously scummy and not paying, let myself or the mods know, and we'll remove the thread, but in general, "he isnt paying" is best served for the other guys (e.g. WF and the Facebook group) as they specifically designed their pages for such complaints. Not to mention all the issues with libel, etc. if someone claims a network is fraudulent based on bullshit accusations and it's up here for others to see. Let the other guys deal with dat.
As a principle in the offending network whose actions germinated this part of this thread I would like to make a few points. 1) Leroy was completely in the right. I'm not going to make excuses, it was an oversight of a few hundred dollars that was owed to him and did not get paid until I intervened personally with my bookkeeper to see what was going on. The problem lay in that there was a flag on the account and payment was suspended. After speaking with him for approximately 30 seconds it was easily explained, and he originally should have been paid promptly, however his emails were going unanswered because they were going to his affiliate manager’s junk folder. Even after the affiliate manage whitelisted his address in Outlook. I spoke with him, within twenty minutes the money was wired to his account. One point I would like to point out though is that we’re he more aggressive in his contact or the figure was larger, such a discrepancy of time would not have transpired. I am not pointing fingers or trying to redirect the fault, I am simply stating that I think the amount was small enough and Leroy a large enough affiliate that it did not create a big "stir†and Leroy being polite and diplomatic did not previously create much fuss. That’s not to say we don’t pay attention to detail, mistakes will happen. However they get corrected. 2) OJQ.com has intentionally not paid a considerable number of its affiliates. While this may at first seem counter intuitive to state flatly, there are very good reasons I choose to articulate this. As mailers, (and make no mistake, OJQ.com was created by mailers, for mailers) pushing legitimate traffic you probably do not realize how rife with fraud and subsequently how undermined the network space has become in the last year and a month. Predominantly for one reason. Yahoo. Yahoo released Abaca, as well as various other very aggressive filtering methodologies literally overnight about august of last year. Making reactive decisions, sometimes in panic, sometimes strategically, mailers fled yahoo like a sinking ship. That resulted in an onslaught of traffic to other prominent domains, and then naturally they tightened up respectively. For many, the bottom fell out of email. So what happened... we started to notice the "blend". The blend is when an otherwise self respecting mailer all of a sudden feels threatened to get the food on the table and the kid’s braces on the teeth and acts in an inconciounable manner, going down a path they would not have otherwise taken. They start to supplement legitimate traffic with manufactured traffic. Resulting in either drastically skewed conversions to the advertiser, or straight up illegal traffic, and subsequently the advertiser cannot afford to pay what they were paying before, creating a vicious cycle. I am irritated and greatly upset by this, and it has cost me personally hundreds of thousands of dollars, however I cannot villainize this behavior without some thought and understanding. I do not condone, and flatly condemn, but I think when peoples welfare and the welfare of their families are threatened they go into survival mode and start to rationalize their behavior and make moral concessions they would not have otherwise made. In short... it is what it is. It exists, we have to accommodate this. How? By taking extraordinary measures and increasing labor to scrutinize traffic in real time. In the last year we have developed a rather sophisticated network tool for other networks to adopt that will allow them to have "at a glance, real time threat assessments of their affiliatesâ€, even at micro levels of traffic. So that when I see the "blend"... I can stop it in its tracks, very rapidly, before it creates chaos, and take appropriate action. Nothing irritates me more than the person that likes to piss on me and tell me it's raining. Not just because I'm philosophically opposed to being pissed on, but also because I do not like to be the fool, nor spawn other fools through my foolish behavior. We're trying to create a "virtuous cycle" with our tool. So that real mailers can get back to getting the payouts they were getting before blending mailers softened the street prices of otherwise very lucrative offers. And even the argument that "well I'm still getting the same street price on so and so that I was last year...â€... are you? You think your conversions are only down because you’re not getting out as much email, that there is not other financial disparity? Without impuning other networks or advertisers I will simply state that if you carefully evaluate apples to apples you will quickly come to the conclusion that your apples are still the same size, however your bushels are noticeably smaller. I want to very clearly state I am not using a euphemism for "shaving". There are simply a number of confounding factors now that were not present before that decrease net revenue that are out of control of the mailer. The same thing happened with continuum billing. It was beautiful! It was the magnum opus of customer retention and billing retention for many legitimate products. However with any meteoric success... there is meteoric exploitation. So that for every good product that hit the streets that satisfied both parties, left merchant accounts largely stable, and provided for massive payouts do to extraordinary back outs over time, there were a hundred herbal products and digital delivery turds that hit the industry that caused: a) the collapse of a hugely successful business model, b) an exodus to PayPal by merchants, whose high rates further depreciated what could be paid to the mailer, and c) thousands of millions of metric tons of diarrhea. You simply cannot ingest 340 aecia berries crammed into a pill that's really not volumetrically viable to fit one. I'm digressing... but only to point out analogous vicious cycles. I'm not going to belabor this point anymore, the fact is unfortunately Leroy got caught up in a cog that went ungreased, and when communication was finally reestablished, he was paid promptly. This is a good point in and of it. We respond promptly to every email we get, however if we don't get it, please call. We do not like to create bad blood or industry acrimony. 3) The affiliates that we do not pay...let’s see how to put this politely but succinctly... are fucking assholes. Why did you not get paid? Hmmmm... Let’s see... 100 leads from different IPs... same user agent ya shmuck, same computer. 1000 leads from yahoo traffic without an advertiser conversion, but you can't deliver a seed into even the junk when asked with sufficient time to prepare? Honestly... some of these guys don't even try. It's like somewhere in Nigeria they closed the Internet Fraud 101 class at community college. I sometimes feel insulted. If I'm going to be frauded at least romance me. Send me some good traffic first. Lure me into a false sense of security. Then unleash your garbage. We'll catch it. You won't get paid. And you'll probably post about it. Honestly... I don't much care. I only care when someone like Leroy complains. The man's got integrity and real traffic. Him I worry about him spreading a bad word. The guys we catch, present substantial evidence too, allow rebuttal, consider their points, sometimes reverse our decision, but often suspend payment... post all you want. Everyone ultimately figures out you’re full of shit. 4) A network stands on many points, but the most important one... you get paid what you are owed. With us, the buck stops here. If we lose an offer because of another guy frauding... you still get paid. Case in point: HigherEdGrowth.com LLC. I had a conversation with a gentleman over there in our first virgin weeks as a network that went like this... OJQ: "You owe me thirty grand" HE "You sent us some fraud traffic, we can't pay you on all of it, we have to come to a compromise". OJQ "I realize that,we're brand new as a network, I apologize, but it was not all fraud traffic, some was good, the fraud was a bad affiliate with very sophisticated methods we’ve learned from, and we tried to maintain lines of communication". HE: "It really harmed our reputation and created problems. OJQ: Really? HE: "Yes really". OJQ: "Ok, we'll bite the bullet, buck stops here, invoice dissolved. HE: "Really?" OJQ "Yeah really". HE: "Really?" OJQ: "Yeah man, really". HE "Damn... thanks." Yet every single affiliate that was legitimate that was running that offer got paid. The point is, we operate in such a manner as we as mailers would like to be treated. Even if we don't get paid...if you're traffic was good... you do. Quiz: 5) Why am I taking so much time on this? A) I ate twenty Adderalls and the Atari is broken. B) My wife threw me out of bed because I ate that awesome garlic mash you get at the mid eastern places. D) OnDemand is broken AGAIN. E) Multiple people that I respect immensely in this industry independently stepped up to try to speak on our behalf and mitigate any reputation damage. And while I appreciate it to the point of wanting to cry (not really, but at least wanting to buy you a beer), the large amount of sincere support evoked a kinda visceral emotional response that led to this boring novel. You gotta pick your times to speak man! Answer: E and B. P.S. Leroy your collective interest on that money was 13.2 beers or five shots of Patron Gold.
Also what Push and Round said. Seriously, when I want to besmirch an affiliate network, I simply write damaging statements above the urinals at the shows with a sharpie. There's a time and place for everything. You have to maintain professionalism.
