OnPoint/Kobeni

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  1. debase

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    http://kobeni.com/

    This ESP isn't listed yet, right?

    Supposed to be strong on GI. Have a turn-key system at $2500/month. Curious if anyone is using them and what their return is on the $2500/month system.
     
  2. Bubbles

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    Haven't used them but I think the Kobeni name could have potentially been purposely chosen for maximal subliminal impact on Star Wars fans, since it's an anagram for Kenobi.
     
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    I used it and dropped it by month 2. 3 day + turn around when they added new ip's and they had a one domain ip per day but after day 1 the whole range of IP's would be blown anyway so i Lost money for 2 months and the software was down half the time waiting to get the ip's added.

    Just wasnt for me and was my least profitable software venture I have tried.
     
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    LOL @ Bubbles - you're damn cloes to bein' a super nerd bro!

    And I've heard enough stories along the lines of BHDaves that I wouldn't send someone their way. Although I did but the guy was/is a total douche and deserves what he gets if he ends up using them.


    :dong:
     
  5. DaMadHatter

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    We used to host them for a spell. It was an 'interesting' period of time compared to every other platform.

    I will say one 'constructive' bit for them. They have a TON of clients and servers. A ton of money to throw at IP's, servers, and nothing really seems to knock them down. Literally. They have to be making mad loot. 10 SBL's a week? No problem. Knock out their registrar? No problem. Take out the DNS/name servers? No problem.

    I hear they have a very nice office down in Florida from those who've went to visit them face-to-face. I believe the old CEO from ex-porn processor from iBill (for those who've been around some time) also is on staff there.

    :sheep:
     
  6. JohnFarrell

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    I just realized it's not Kenobi. I've been calling it that for a long long time haha.

    On another note. I was talking with some of the OnPoint guys at adtech and they seemed nice. Never used the service though.
     
  7. WiggyQ

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    Disclaimer: I don't work or receive anything from Kobeni.

    That being said, I have worked with their owner in the past back in the wild west. They are focused on profits, but their platform is decent. They use PMTA with a custom front end and their support gets back to you fairly quickly. They have integrated some API's from networks and registrars, which cuts down time. If you are not mailing GI, don't bother. If you are, they may be worth a look, but as always, it takes a lot of $$$ to make a lot of $$$.

    Anyone who is interested can P.M. me and I can put you in touch with the owner.
     
  8. longmail

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    I have been using the platform for about a a lil over a year. Great interface compared to a lot of others. Awesome for GI mailing and the guys down there are cool to deal with. Yes they are focused on profits (after all why the hell else would they be doing it?) but doesn't affect you, IF, you know what the hell you are doing. Definitely worth a shot for GI only.
     
  9. Mike91TT

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    I use OnPoint as well. Probably the most user friendly "real" mailing platform in existence. It's not just for GI, but that's the rep it has. There are throttling settings for TLDs etc. Awesome support and fast turn around with new installs etc. Super tech or experienced guys would prob rather go with something else, but for an easy powerful solution, it's really a fantastic platform. Probably best part is domain purchasing through the platform and 1 click to assign domains/IPs. Anyone with questions can PM me.
     
  10. FrankD

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    Mike do you work for Kobeni?
     
  11. Mike91TT

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    Ummm no. Just giving my opinion of the platform.
     
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    I'm customer #2 with OnPoint and have been loyal for a good 2 years now, and the platform is great. Most of what has been said above on features I would agree with.

    Some of the features that make it sweet are the Dynamic List Management where your lists are customizable - i.e. create a "Delivered" list or "Clickers & Openers" - but they are automatically updated when say Hard Bounces are encountered they are removed, or your Clickers & Openers are "added to" the list; no more manual "merging" or "scrubbing" of lists.

    Another key feature I actually worked with them on is a "Multi-Test" function. You know how some systems you have to send a test for each Subject line to see if you're inboxing? Well, this option enables you to send an offer with all combination of the From line, the Subject line, or all possible combinations of both together. So if you have 5 Froms and 10 Subjects, it will send 50 test e-mails with one click. Then, you just check the e-mails that junked, remove them from your Offer Template and off you go - 100% inboxing!

    Like others have said, Support is great and the software very rarely has issues. I've had servers up for 3-4 months without a single issue - I pay my money and they never hear from me cause everything works!

    Hope this helps and feel free to ask me more about it.
     
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    I'm an Onpoint fan but this SunTzu4u guy is making Onpoint look bad because he has 1 post haha...hopefully it's not trolling but who the hell knows.
     
  14. afc_pmc

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    I used them for my first 2 months of mailing, was the system I learned the basics on. looking back now, I understand a lot more about their service. Their front end is nicer than most, some good features for sorting data, custom settings is a big plus (i didn't use them back then tho to know how well they worked), but they did have settings for controling the mailing. Support was also pretty fast for swapping servers, they respond quickly. They do claim they will teach you how to use it, but that fell very short of what was promised, it was a 30 minute phone call where they showed you basic things like, "if you push the send button, it will send", "the upload button uploads a file", and if they feel you might spend some money with them, they will tell you some better things, although looking back now I wouldn't agree with any of the volumes they told us (I had a partner who knew how to mail). Churn and burn was the advice in summary, if I remember it exactly it was "300,000 emails per day, per ip is safe, but then rest the ip for 2-3 days. I wouldn't use it for anything other than GI, and I wouldn't suggest using that advice either. Nothing about warm up (which in their defense is less important on GI), it was basically blast away until your ips are dead, and then we will swap your server within a day of you sending us the log in info.

    Bads outweight the good in my opinion mainly for:

    1. no api, since I am a programmer this is a far bigger problem than for a non programmer, but a lot of manual work required if you want to change the content a tad per broadcast. Can't pull stats, its made for someone who only needs a web interface.

    2. Delivery was pretty bad, again I was a noob, but at the time we were talking to 2 other companies (1 was an affiliate network, who let me talk to their mailing team as a favor) also using them, who were decent mailers, and they had the same issues, delivery percents were almost exactly the same, 40% (which is shit) and at the end something happened that dropped it to 20% on new servers with scrubbed data, which was when we bailed. I did 50k emaiils per ip for 4 days and the server shut off, the host mailed me a notice of over 10,000 spam complaint notifications. (their system does the masking, redirects and unsubs, so wasn't related to any mistakes by me on any of that.

    3. Expensive - license was per server, and dont quote me on this but I believe the number of ips you could have per was capped fairly low (dont remember). Regardless, it was more expensive than just about everything else I've seen.

    I think DaMadHatter's post above is 100% on point (pardon the pun), they seem to have a ton of money so they must be doing something decent, I think their own internal mailing does well. They sell data too. Burn burn burn is the strategy tho from what I saw and heard. If you are learning and don't have much in the way of managing your data, aren't programming any parts of your mailing, not trying to get stats out of the system and / or don't mind burning some servers, they aren't bad to learn from, but you won't scale with them, then you can move on to something like Deliverablity Agent or something that can actually protect your ips for the long term.

    Just my 2 cents, no offense to kobeni, they did seem like very nice people.
     
  15. Mike91TT

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    Good input. As a GI mailer myself with Onpoint the only thing I could say about your GI delivery complaints is that most of that part is up to you. If you aren't using lots of fresh IPs/domains with hardbounce-free data, sending somewhat lower volume per IP and always changing up the content in the body of your offers, you're not going to deliver high. Just how it is.

    Otherwise, I dont think "longterm" and "IPs" should be in the same sentence when mailing very high volume GI. (aside from a sick clickers file)
     
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    I've used OP for over a year and I agree with almost everything in this thread.
     

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