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  1. palta

    palta VIP

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    Anyone using PMTA? I'm evaluating a few injectors now.

    This is what I have found so far:

    The following is a list of front-end applications that work well with PowerMTA. I would start with the last (WhatCounts) and move up the list.
    · GroupMail (http://www.infacta.com)
    · Interspire Email Marketer (http://www.interspire.com)
    · Oempro (http://www.octeth.com)
    · Arial Campaign Enterprise (http://www.arialsoftware.com)
    · GatorMail (http://www.communigator.co.uk)
    · WhatCounts Broadcaster (http://www.whatcounts.com)

    Anyone using PMTA and if so which injector are you having success with?
     
  2. datamon

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    Can anyone speak to any of these front ends?

    I know the big dogs use a custom front end for PMTA but I have been dying to try it without having to build an injector/front end.
     
  3. nickphx

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    i've used interspire and oempro. They're both alright for lists under 2m or so. They're not designed to rotate domain names for links, from addresses.. or to handle a large amount of complaints, bounces,etc.. Basically they're targeted at people that have 300-500$ to spend on email marketing software.
     
  4. erbux

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    I used Arial with pmta for years when I first started. Worked well.
    If you're on windows that is.

    Anything you can do in SQL can be applied to Arial. That's a plus.
    Down side, and this may have been updated in their current release - used to manually add all tracking including creating each link and inserting it's merge field by hand. Same with open tracking and unsubs. Etc

    It isn't bad especially if you're new to mailing. I'd does allow for up to 10 or more smtp connections per broadcast.
    Oh another bad point - can't send more than one campaign at a time unless you buy more user licenses which are $1k each I think. That part sucked.

    I used it for political mailings. I don't reccomend for affiliate email. It will cost way to much.
    I paid $3500 in 2005 for one user and a cap of 250k emails in a given list at a time.
    Which is bullshit considering you're using it in front of pmta.

    Hope that helps.
     
  5. nymailer

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    I have a custom coded version of interspire that basically fixes most of the problems it has, It only works with the linux version of PMTA

    It rotates domains/IP's
    Uploads Lists very quickly
    Splits Merges and extracts lists
    mails from multiple MTA's
    Injects at a super high speed
    Mails adstation Integrated
    Handles DNS and mailbox setup like a major platform

    Let me know if you're interested.
     
  6. erbux

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    As pmta user, I am always interested in what others are using on the front. Since I am not familiar with WhatCounts, I was curious and checked out their site. Has anyone used this? If so, what's the deal? I mean - it appears that you can buy 2 'self-hosted' products. Each seems to include the WhatCounts system as well as a copy of PMTA.

    What I don't understand (and maybe I missed the explanation on their site?) is the following:

    Broadcasterâ„¢:
    -500K emails/month
    -Peak Send Load: <150K emails/hr
    -Low/medium API usage
    -Subscribers: < 1.5 mill.
    -Port25 PowerMTA – Lite version

    Broadcasterâ„¢ Professional:
    - 2mill. emails/month
    - Peak Send Load: 750K emails/hr
    - Medium/high API usage
    - Subscribers: > 1.5 mill.
    - Port25 PowerMTA – Pro version

    My question is this:
    Based on their above features, are they telling you that their system (Broadcaster) will only allow you to mail 500K/2MM emails per month? And IF that's the case - why the fuck would anyone spend the additional loot on either PMTA 'versions'?
    To add insult to injury - why bother advertising Peak Send Loads of 150K/750K per hour IF WhatCounts is claiming you can send 500K/2MM e/mo?

    If this was a 'we manage for you'/ESP type of setup, okay. But who the fuck would buy this as their own 'appliance' if it's tunned down?

    Either I am reading this completely wrong (I hope so) OR this is the worst deal I've seen to date.
    Can anybody clarify? Not that I want this product - I just want to make sure I'm not mis-understanding their offer.
     
  7. ElReyalto

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    A client of mine uses Whatcounts as their ESP of choice. They are their largest client and even though some of their mailings are suspect (though not 3rd party stuff), they still are allowed to be clients. They are expensive though and what you described above doesn't surprise me in terms of costs. I agree the deal makes no sense but then again their entire company is kind of strange.
     
  8. DoldGigga

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    This is targeted at companies that think they'll save money by mailing themselves. It's not intended for the kind of email marketing that most of us do...that kind being "high volume email deployment". Their customer would be a retailer who wants to send coupons/newsletters to their customer base a few times per month.

    Most of the pre-built, prepackaged options out there are targeted at the same type of user. Same deal for most of the ESPs. If you want to push heavy volume your best bets are:

    a) Learn how to tune an open source MTA like exim, postini or even qmail if you're a masochist. Write your own software for managing the lists and deploying campaigns. This is what people are referring to as the "injector" or "front end".

    b) Hire someone to custom-develop both an MTA and a front end for it, to your specs. OF course point A would be a prerequisite for making this one work for you. If you don't know how it works you really cant spec it out right.

    c) Revshare your data and let someone else do the mailing.


    PowerMTA on its own is no different in the purpose it serves than any other MTA out there. It is the "mail server".
     
  9. DoldGigga

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    I think it's funny that you are asking this question.

    Injector = Front End = Bulk Email Marketing Client = The interface you use to manage your campaigns, lists, creatives and such. It doesn't post anything, it's the software that connects to your SMTP servers to send your email.
     
  10. roundabout

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    Correct. Most of the front ends/injectors I've played with are actually weak compared to using pmta raw through a cli feeder right in the unix command prompts. I can do a few commands, and be delivering much quicker than a front end feeder. All you need is your pmta dashboard and some popcorn and some quick fingers.
     
  11. kalam19

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    Can your system handle offer suppression list in campaign level
     
  12. DoldGigga

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    Are you running PMTA on all of your boxes now are are you just testing it out?
     
  13. nymailer

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    Yea I'm using spooled files in my front end, It basically injects way faster than PMTA can even send.
     
  14. DKPMO

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    The best injector is the one you write yourself
    :evil: :viking: :top:
     
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    My advice is to either write the injector yourself as DKPMO said, or be intimately involved in the development, that way you fully understand what it does and can change it according to your desires/likes. I built an injector for myself, and the biggest advantage there is that I am able to split test different configs/ideas, use the best one, modify my system and go forward. Fighting for percentages!
     
  16. nymailer

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    No but looking to write that in, just a pain in the ass IEM
     
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    Anyone use Active Campaign with PTMA?
     
  18. DaMadHatter

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    Interesting feedback.
    :top:
     
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    We built our system around ADK integrated and the entire concept of automation. We use PMTA and feel like we have a great mailing solution. Our prices also seem to be almost half of what most mailing platforms cost out there.

    We are always working on updates/features, but would be happy to talk to anyone that might be interested in using it. PM Me.

    Thanks!
     
  20. Spounki

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    If you need a custom frontend solution I suggest you to go on the PMTA forum and post a thread for that.
    there are lot of guys who have their own solution and can develop a custom one for you and for
    some bucks or more. Depend of your needs :)
     

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