QUESTION RE DOMAINS ON THE DBL

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  1. moneymaker

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    Hi Peoples,

    Quick question if I may. I recently purchased a whole bunch of .com domains from someone that were previously used for aol mailing (and that is it). The domains are all roughly 2-4 months old. I was told that when I purchased them there would be no listings on them. When I received the domains they ALL were listed on the SH's DBL. The provider is telling me the following.

    "The DBL's like I said are always going to happen... i bet half the domains you bind right now, that are purchased brand new will get DBL right away, many times right before you even drop.

    This will always happen.... DBLS are automated scanning technology that spamhaus uses. This is why most companies do not subscribe to it...

    These will out perform your new domains every day, every drop..... Look at your rev and stop looking at the DBL thing.. this happens no matter what...DBL's will not go away whether they are brand new or aged.. but the Aged domains get you a higher Senderbase score for sure because they have good activity on them, you don't have to worry about the Spam Eating Monkey or Day Old Bread hits as well and they are half the price that you are paying and you are also getting .coms and .nets."


    My question is whether or not his claims are correct and how much can I expect DBL listings to adversely affect performance. Is there any point in using these? (BTW - We tried to remove these listings (NC) and they came right back).

    I appreciate your input.
     
  2. Throughput Sales

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    I can chime in on this because the seller was me.

    The purchase intention for Money Maker was to mail Gi. These domains have all been used on AOL only.

    Anyone that knows me here knows that I am not a guy that would make false claims. Not worth my time or money.

    When you are purchasing and owning domains in Namecheap or any of the other spam haven domains company's you are going to always experience DBLs that don't make sense. I am currently running AOL with tons of domains that are dbl'd and they have never once been mailed on anything else. My MTA is very sophisticated and groups everything on a mx level and these were only allowed to deliver to AOL mx records. Nothing else has ever touched these domains.

    The DBLs are drive by listings that I am sure we all experience and that's it. If you mail even 15k records to GI you get listed with a dozen other small no name listings. These domains being listed is attributed to the basic spamhaus domain profiling that we have all known about for years.

    With that note, these are completely clean, I tend to pay attention to what matters which is revenue not small iddy biddy details as a DBL which can easily be removed and if the Domain was truly an abusive DBL they won't let you remove it. These are aged .coms for half the price. If you can't use them, we can surely take them back, provide a full refund, I think I already mentioned this to you.
     
  3. nickphx

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    The DBL check is enabled in the default SpamAssassin rules since 3.3.1.
    By default it adds 1.7 points to the score.
    I would say that using DBLd domains for GI mailing would result in lower revenue because most GI mail servers use SpamAssassin with default rules..

    The DBL doesn't list domains just because they're registered at namecheap or other 'spammy' registrars.
     
  4. Throughput Sales

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    Go buy 10 domains from Namecheap. Bind them up to IP's from a spam friendly ip source using Namecheap and wait 12 hours and tell me your results.
     
  5. Throughput Sales

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    Keep in mind these GI guys go and buy IPs from a source like Serverhub or Single Hop that are abused to shit, then bind these dirty IPs to a registrar like Namecheap and then wonder why shit gets listed. You have to know all things considered!
     
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    It's true. I just bought 9 yesterday for mailing GI... from NC, didn't do anything with them, and today they're on Spam Eating Monkey, SH and Day Old Bread.
     
  7. DKPMO

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    Didn't do anything or pointed the nameservers?
     
  8. nickphx

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    Uh yeah, do you know what criteria SEM and DOB use for listing domains? ...

    .....
     
  9. danielma33

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    My bad. I did point the name servers to my click thru.

    Umm, what are you, like 4 years old? Who uses their real name for anything these days?
     
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    I'm sure such a mature and intelligent person such as yourself would know that using false information in a domain registration used for commercial email is a violation of the CAN SPAM ACT. Then again someone that's being consistently spanked by spamhaus is obviously not too bright.
     
  11. Throughput Sales

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    Spam Eating Monkey and Day Old Bread are from new domains. Aged domains you will not get these from. SH (which I am assuming is DBL) these will happen periodically on a certain percentage of your domains even if they have never been mailed on. The simple solution is go and unlist them. If they were ever abusive they will not allow you to remove. If it was a presumptive listing they will remove with no issues at all. With AOL they don't even check for this so we never removed them.
     
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    Careful with that. I've seen them SBLs host IPs based on the repeated DBL removals.
     
  13. Throughput Sales

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    Interesting, I have never seen this. We have been getting our Domains for GI for quite some time after they have been mailed through TLD's and we always go in and remove them from the DBL and never have issues with getting any SH listings from that.
     
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    I vouch for OP on that


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    Maybe the difference is we have been removing them after mailing GI

    In any case this seems like a pretty manual vs standardized process and they could be doing it less with DBL being bigger now. But no guarantee they won't target DBL removers for further review in the future...
     

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