ok i bought the book from joshua burch and it is a nice thing to have for a starter. So far, i have this set up. php mailer set up for me with word spinner. a vps. havent focused on the ip's yet. a script being written for me so that it automatically fills in the filter specifications for spf, dkim....etc, so that i dont have to do it manually. a list manager being programmed for me so that i dont have to pay a monthly fee. 1million data that i got lucky cuz my programmer already had it. but this is useless at this point because i am not there yet. a website up and running to collect data from people also charging 4.99. any suggestions or opinions? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- as far as email business goes, i had two used car dealership owners run campaigns with me. one at 10cents per email and one at 12cents per email. something like 70% of the emails sent were read...i set the 2nd dealer up with google voice so that i can monitor how many phone calls they were getting as a result of the campaign...he has received like 24 phone calls...i don't know if he converted those into car deals or not but his phone rang and that's not a bad thing. any of you guys who think they can bring business to a local dealer in the san diego county, let me know, it can be along the lines of auto title loans, cash for your car, or an offer to get them in the door to buy a new used car. i am in the car business for almost a decade, have a lot of contacts to franchise dealers as well so like i said, if you can think of something that will truely help the business owner lemme know...