Thief Preying on Mailers - Read This Before You Buy IPs

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  1. airin

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    If anyone is approached by Joel Pritchard to buy IPs DO NOT do it. I repeat DO NOT give this guy any money, you will never see it again or get your IPs.

    I personally know 2 mailers that were burned for over $5k. I was just speaking to one of the guys and he said he knows of 6 other mailers that were taken for over $45k total. At that point I decided it was best to warn everyone.

    This guy is a thief. I am surprised nobody as publicly outed his sorry ass yet. I do not know if he is on MF. If anyone knows and has his name, please post so I can ban him.

    Joel Pritchard
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  2. Solarus

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    Any plans on pressing charges? I also know of people, though they may be the same people. That fat slob is going to end up murdered if he keeps it up.
     
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    Ouch. That is not good. I do not think he is actively posting on MF, but I could be mistaken.

    It looks like he has turned his phone off, not returning calls, and voice mail box is full for at least two days now. Which is not a good sign.

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  4. airin

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    I didn't even realize it was that bad until today. I had only known of one person.

    Hopefully this raises awareness and something has been done and at least others don't get taken. Personally, I was not harmed so there is nothing I can do. If there was, my attorneys would be on him.
     
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    I would advise caution in dealing with any IP seller / leaser, until you have personally done business with them and have firsthand experience with their business ethics.

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    He took me for $9500. I knew the deal was too good to be true, but we had dealt with him before when he was at critical/suave. He promised me and one other mailer I know to repay us, but that was last Wednesday. He said he was wiring the money back to us because he could not deliver the IPs.

    Neither of us have seen a dime show up in our account.

    So we do need to get the word out about this guy.
     
  7. DaMadHatter

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    Most engaging. Specifically that he admitted he could not deliver the IP's more than a week ago plus, yet kept taking orders and money up to early this week.

    It sounds like he is now basically taking money from new clients and orders, to try and pay back old clients he took money from previously and needs to repay. I think the cliche is "robbing Peter to pay Paul". The grand total owing from all accounts seems to be 10 mailers/companies, and between $60-75k owing total for the phantom IPs. How he intends to come up with that amount of money is beyond me. But he is going to have a lot of people going after him I am sure both legally and otherwise.

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  8. airin

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    Wow. The first guy I know about had this happen to him back in the beginning of September. This has been going on for a while.

    From info I have gotten in a PM it sounds like he has a partner. They aren't sure if it's true, but if it is I know the guy and can say he is complete scum. If anyone has information on this please let me know. If I can verify the partner's identity I will post on here.
     
  9. DaMadHatter

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    He in fact claims to have a partner(s) who've been named and well established in the mailer industry, however that name needs to get confirmed 100% before publicly outing him and his operation. Joel was the hosting and IP side of this partnership, and the other guys were the mailers developing the other pieces of the puzzle. They were developing some sort of IP software, affiliate program and ESP platform they were looking to launch in the next 30-90 days.

    From all accounts, it sounds as if he was fraudulently claiming to have IPs, but didn't, and maliciously getting a bunch of people to wire him money to various personal accounts. He then would immediately withdraw that money so that no one would legally be able to seize/freeze it. Which makes sense with him using three different bank accounts for people to send the wire payments to (perhaps lawyers were already on to his existing bank accounts, which is why he was having people wire to his wife and others). Not business bank accounts, but personal. His wife, himself, and his so called CFO. All of these bank accounts are at different banks and credit unions.

    Over the past few weeks when questioned where their IP orders were, he claimed he was robbed and $4000.00 was stolen, two nights later he claimed he was robbed again and his phone was stolen. He either is the most careless person, with the absolute worst luck on the planet. Or he was simply making up excuses to try and buy time while he was trying to trick others under fault pretenses into wiring him money so he could pay back the first guys much like a ponzie scheme. From the sounds of it, he either fucked over the ISP(s) where he was getting his space from, or he was cut off. This could be from not paying his tab, or just taking and and all mailers with money and then just letting them lite up ranges with reckless disregard getting a ton of SBL's. At any rate, regardless of reason, he apparently lost the ability to get new IPs. Which would explain him not being able to fill orders as he had limited IP connections and capital.

    That said, there is no rational explanation for why Joel would keep claiming to have space, and taking orders and money, unless your sole intent was to rip people off. This is further reinforced with all of these different bank accounts he was using to receive bank wires. I guess once his own accounts were getting too hot he decided to bring in his wife, and so called business partner(s). Whether he was maliciously defrauding mailers to finance his new partnership operation, or he has some sort of gambling habit or his intention was to just steal as much money as possible before being outted. It would appear that he did not give a shit about burning all his bridges in the IP and mailer business.

    At this point, those who have been ripped off can sue him (since he was not a corporation, nor using corporate accounts) not only for the failure to deliver promised goods, but interstate wire fraud (federal offense), while nowhere close to justice (i.e. return of money, or delivery of IPs), and/or send some Russian friends to San Diego to seek other means of collection. I can imagine with $60-75k owing to 10 different outfits, that someone is going to be pissed enough to continuously go after him until they collect.

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  10. pinternational

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    Yeaaahh. I don't think there was ever any intention to deliver IPs..... Nor do i think he continued to rip people off in order to pay other "ripoffees" back. Based on what i now know about this guy, he doesn't have the contacts, skill or work ethic required to actually follow through on anything beyond the act of ripping people off. Honestly, from what i've heard, he sounds like he's +1 gene away from medically diagnosable retardation. What does that say about me trusting him enough to work with him you might ask... Well, i've known him for 4-5 years from his time at Suavemente, so i figured that'd be enough. Buying any IPs is never without risk, but i figured the risk was acceptable based at the very least on my history with him.

    His MO: He talks a laughable (yet, unfortunately believable) game upfront where he talks about wishing there was more he could do to help people in need, and how he's always looking for the good in people.... gains the buyer's trust, and then a minute after the wire hits his bank account... he logs off and the fuckery begins. The day after i wired him my 9500, i started suspecting something was up, but a quick phonecall settled me down. Another day of being dodged and i was almost certain i'd been scammed.. .but then he emailed me to say that he's been out dealing with a family emergency for the past day or two... that his wife's godson was in the hospital with a collapsing lung.... and that he was sorry and would return my money the next day so we could do business at some future date when his situation wasn't so messy. So i actually felt bad for doubting his intentions and wished him well. But the money never came. The excuse? He lost his wallet and couldn't send the money without a bank card and ID. From that point it was a constant barrage of lies. Shortly after i heard that he'd actually taken at least 3-4 others, the way he did me. I'm shocked and sickened by the fact that he's actually taken up to 75k from people like you and me...who've more than likely been compliant, good, hardworking people. To get taken by a guy like Joel. Well... I guess that was the biggest insult of all. I'm pursuing him legally and the court documents are about to be filed. Lawyer says he's totally screwed if he doesn't pay up, so i guess we'll see. She also said if I could get everyone who's been scammed by him together, we could probably push it up to criminal court and have his ass sent to jail for a good long time. And honestly, at this point, if i don't see my money, then seeing him go to prison for a good long while to think about it would work just fine for me. Karma's an angry bitch Joel. Be afraid.
     
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    I can see why many would get sucked in based on his past history and implied connections.

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    While I think he initially started out with his heart and mind in the right place trying to start a new business for himself and his family, once he was fired from his last gig. However, I believe he quickly had got in over his head, considering the first reports of being ripped off started shortly after his termination back in August/September.

    The IP market requires capital not only for purchasing space, but for the "just in case shit happens". When you are dealing with bigger dollar amounts, you simply have to plan accordingly in that respect. You also need to have a lot of solid ISP relationships, which is something Joel did not have. Lastly, you can't do business with just any mailer/marketer/ESP/ad network/affiliate program. While there are many who have legit mailing/client lists, and are 100% compliant operations. There are also many who are not (i.e. attrition, churn and burn, phishing, etc.). I am not saying that those who are in this thread are bad pennies, or not complaint by any means. I do not know most of them by their handles, and am in no position to say one way or the other. However, Joel had a post over in NANAE where he was complaining about being ripped off by Bill Waggoneer. Most people know that guy is bad news, and to never to do business with him.

    Additionally, he admitted a number of times he was pouring a lot of his money into this new 'partnership' and said it was going to be some new revolutionary new IP software, and ESP deal. If nothing else, hopefully everyone ripped off can go after this consortium as it would have received money from ill gotten gains. Meaning, you do not just sue Joel. But go after his whole 'partnership' and hopefully between all involved, you can get some money back eventually. With all of the various personal bank accounts being used and caught up in this fraud, you could go after him, his wife, his partners, etc. as a criminal conspiracy.

    I do not know if these mailers and Joel have $75k combined in total assets. But at least you could eliminate their ESP/affiliate network hopes after ripping off many in this industry with malice to fund their enterprise with the money of those taken by fraud, or at least get them some jail time for this madness. While I believe everyone would love to get their money back. Joel being in jail for a period of time would probably give many blatantly ripped off some resolve.
     
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    I don't recommend buying IP's from anything "bulk friendly" EVER!
    If they don't just flat out steal your money, they will give you shitty IP's on a range with 50 other people OR they will give you a hassle about setting up RDNS so that you can actually get any level of open activity.
     
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    Go to ISP's where they delegate you the RDNS authority, and then you can handle it yourself. Problem solved.

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    Not sure what this has to do with this thread. What these guys are talking about has nothing to do with "bulk friendly" ISPs or anything like that.
     
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    Probably has something to do with the first couple of sentences written in the thread.

     
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    I believe Solarus's point was, this is a thread about Joel Pritchard's malicious fraud. Warning others so they do not get ripped off. Not a bitchfest about ISP's in general.

    No offense.
     
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    me too!


    Im not so sure he had good intentions. THis is the same scam they ran and might still be running at Critical.net. Does he still work there? Is this the same group?

    I know of at least myself and another mailer that got taken for 15k each last August. Same promised revolutionary software, IPs etc etc etc..

    I had been doing business with them before then Norman (chris) Jester called me with this pitch. He also roped some other mailers with the same thing. When it came time to deliver he didnt and used the excuse of moving his facility and payroll owed as why he didnt have my money to refund to me.

    I haven decided to go to regular court with my attorney or just small claims for $7500 to keep from paying my attorney 33% but now that i see all you guys having the same issues it makes this more interesting.

    I was told by the Assistant District Attorney here in San Diego (who is a close friend) that what he claims to have done with the funds could be a felony. If the fraud was perpetrated on a group of people then the scam fraud turns into a conspiracy as this seems to be the case.

    Anyway, if this is infact Joel from Critical.net (suavemente) then its the same exact scam. There was no intention to actually get the software, esp or IP's. So add the 2 of us to the long list but we might have been the first ones taken. This was last Summer in 2010! He rarely answers my IM's. And being the forgiving person I am i even have given him the chance over the last 12-14 months to just give me IP space amounting to what I am owed. I mean jeez all i want is the money back anyway for services never rendered.

    But alas my patience has run out and it looks like a full blown fraud ring now..(allegedly!) if all 10-12 people really have been taken just like us.
     
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    He used to work there, but was terminated earlier in the year from Suave/Critical to my understanding, yes.

    Damn. The amount of mailers, and dollar amount keeps climbing as more people come out of the woodwork!!

    Considering the number of people defrauded at this stage, and all of the different people he supposedly had involved in this scam (wife, business partner, etc.) it looks more like a criminal conspiracy to defraud. Since most sent bank wires to him, that is wire fraud. Which is a federal offense. As the dollar amount and number of companies ripped off keeps climbing, the more tempting this will look to the law enforcement.

    Felonies racking up all over the place....

    Same guy, but I do not believe he is associated with Jester/Suave/Critical any longer. He was reportedly fired.

    Odd indeed, as I would think it's cheaper to deliver the IP space ordered in the first place than to give you a cash refund. Especially if you have access to them.

    Agreed. I can understand if you lose your IP source, do not have a lot of connections for space, and have to refund people. Most are not happy, but will understand I am sure. However, as more people are coming forward, the timeline of events, along with the additional details provided.... it looks like he has been taking money since the summer, and not delivering. Yet he continues to promise more IP space and keeps taking more orders and money as recently as last week!!! With some in the thread is is telling him he is going to give them a refund a few weeks back ADMITTING he doesn't have IP space. Then weeks later he is still taking more orders and payments?!?!? Which makes it look like he is just maliciously defrauding people at this point with clear intent.

    Hopefully everyone who has been ripped off by this guy get together as a collective, and can go after him and his business partner(s). I doubt Joel has any money or assets, but I know he was working on something else with a business partner(s). If nothing else, you can go after their ESP and affiliate program so that they do not have a chance to rip off affiliates later. While there is most likely little money to be gained, these guys sitting in jail would be a nice consolation prize.

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    Update: Joel no longer works at Critial.net and i am in contact go get my situation settled with them.
    I will let you all know if Critical comes through this week so that my bad story can be one less and I can move on and maybe even give a good review in the future.
     
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    Wow, i was pissed at the lousy c class he couldn't deliver, only got taken for $650, i am still in talks with him, said the other day his accounts where frozen for a week, probably another lie to buy himself some more time for the ip ponze scheme he is running. Crazy as it sounds, he still replies back to my texts, thats after i threatened legal actions. I do have is address in San Diego. He also tried to get me to use his platform, Permicity, which is Karlins from Brazil. He couldnt even deliver on a lousy c class, yeah like i would use the platform. Aint nobody out there going to beat me twice. $9500 for a /19 - thats his favorite pitch. He claims he left jester over at critical to start his own gig, Hey Pritchard, we will run into each other one day, thats a promise. Terrible businessman, TERRIBLE...... He claims he is trying to make things right, not holding my breathe i'll tell ya.
    Dont think there's a partner, but who the ef knows. Been telling me for weeks he is wiring back the $, again not holding my breathe. Hey Pritchard, have i mentioned that we will run into each other one day? Going to screw me for a lousy $650, Terrible businessman, TERRIBLE...........
     

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