What is Snowshoe spam ?

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  1. Calver Fitz

    Calver Fitz Member

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    Hey email marketers,

    I got a lotta people asking: is it a good idea to use a large number of IPs and domains to send emails. and I say, Yes its a good idea if we were in 2008.

    In 2016 its a very bad idea, nothing but waste of time and money, Your traffic will get blocked real quick if you used lotta IPs to send your emails!

    Now its called Snowshoe spam and its spreading your email traffic through a large number of IPs and domain to send the maximum of emails in a short period of time. to keep everything under ISP and spam filter radar!

    Am not judging anyone for sending emails, but this method is shouting *Hey ISP am a spammers*

    I believe that the best way to send a high volume of emails now days. Is by warming up the IPs and building a good reputation with ISPs and sending to good data. I don't see any way around it! quality over quantity!

    Check this post to understand Snowshoe spam and how to avoid it!
    https://onlyexist.com/discussion/14/why-using-large-number-of-ips-to-send-email-is-a-bad-idea#latest

    Please guys share some of your experience with sending emails and whats used to work for you and it simply does not work now! Share the love!


    Have a wonderful day
     
  2. SuperGenii

    SuperGenii www.DataMCP.com

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    If you're mailing legally and CAN SPAM compliant, you are not spamming, regardless of how many or how few IPs you utilize.

    SG
     
  3. Calver Fitz

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    Of course buddy! thats always what I say! its all about the data you're mailing too!
     
  4. yomomma

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    To each their own; each mailer has a different style.
     
  5. Calver Fitz

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    Well said!
     
  6. Richard Buss

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    Exactly.
     
  7. damian

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    Pretty sure ESPs do this. Except they call them "IP Pools".

    I think its the same.

    It's only when you start sending to purchased lists or bad quality emails and if they find you on multiple ranges the haus will see it as snowshoe spam no matter if you include an unsub link and company info and "technically" following can-spam/casl laws. You'll still get labeled as a spammer
     
  8. SuperGenii

    SuperGenii www.DataMCP.com

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    I disagree. Spamhaus sees ALL email as SPAM. Solicited, unsolicited, bulk, non-bulk, snowshoe, non-snowshoe - its all SPAM to them..

    SG
     
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    Spamhaus is extorting datacenters by BL'ing their entire networks. Mailers are getting kicked out in a heartbeat, so clean your list well.
     
  10. damian

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    lmao so true
     
  11. MixMaster

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    I load up /22 and let it rip. People who get SBL'd is just the email marketers version of Darwin. Thin out the heard so only the strong survive.

    Who are these people what happened to this place?
     
  12. yomomma

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    I fail to see what determines the strong. Datacenters are becoming gun shy by getting extorted by SH; and, having their entire network SBL'd by them.
     
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    I disagree. Spamhaus sees ALL email as SPAM. Solicited, unsolicited, bulk, non-bulk, snowshoe, non-snowshoe - its all SPAM to them..

    SG

    LMFAO, isn't this the damn truth. Well said Jedi ;)
     
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    bhw closed and they migrated here.
     
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    so true
     
  16. bambito

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    The strong don't survive. They die just as easily as the weak. Their flaw is they don't adapt to change.

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    "The strong don't survive. They, like Achilles at Troy's Western gate, die alone quickly in the battle of their own choosing." - Anonymous

    "It is not the most intellectual of the species that survives; it is not the strongest that survives; but the species that survives is the one that is able best to adapt and adjust to the changing environment in which it finds itself." - Leon C. Megginson
     
  17. damian

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    i think youre taking the word "strong" to literal for being on a tech forum lol
     
  18. BigEricBug

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    and assuming that the strong can't adapt, or the intellectual can't be strong...simplistic thinking bambito o_O
     
  19. bambito

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    Never said such a scenario was improbable. [​IMG]

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    Is this a better, amended statement?

    "The strong don't survive. They die just as easily as the weak. Their flaw is they usually don't adapt to change."
     
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    I don't know what to say, I guess sending on multiple ips from the same range is not good. For example I mailed from 3 ips in January (CPC campaigns), sent around 2 mil emails in 3 days and got 300 bucks from that. The ips are even today not sbl listed. Of course, took some hard work to setup those 3 vps servers and upload the mailing lists, but let's be optimistic. 3 days, 3 vps servers (3 ips) and 300bucks.


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