Hey Everyone, Learned of MF a little late, after seeing the cob webs in WF mailer section. So glad to be here... noob question #1 This year I've been working with a few networks, and have one with over 400k in rev...just curious, what could be my best payment terms...at this juncture I'm bi-weekly net 1 or 2 days. noob questions #2 I've been sticking strictly to GI, and was wondering at what point of a mailer's career, should one switch or venture into new portions of mailing biz. (big 3, ESP) I'm very interested in trying new platforms, and going big 3. noob questions #3 Which I'm guessing for big 3: clean ips, fbl, know proper rate limits per ISP, while warming up ip's and keeping complaints ratios low? I understand there would be more to the big 3, just looking to get feet wet and learn with more experience. And if anyone needs any tips or trades on GI...please feel free to PM me.
You don't seem like a noob to me, haha. How long have you been mailing? I can't answer most of your questions but you seem to have some excellent pay terms so you're probably a the best you can get - unless you ask for pre-payment. I was also wondering at what point you graduate to TLD. I've always heard the money is incredible but its not as consistent at GI.
when i hear that people make most of their money off of gi.... i am kind of confused as to what they do with their big 3 data.... is it seriously a challenge to make money off of the majority of the data available, or am i just superman?
Well I would assume most people do what I do and only purchase the data/domains they intend on mailing to. No leftover data.
When you no longer give a shit what other people think because you're making enough money to do what you want to regardless of what domains you're mailing into and/or can dabble with other aspects of email because you want to, not because you're a lemming following the rest over the edge...
I like Pushsend's answer. Who cares if you're not mailing TLDs? If you're making money consistently what the hell is the difference? Mail what you have success mailing and be happy with it.
EDIT: Reverse what I said, anyone claiming 400k rev in 2 quarters and asking if they are a noob is trolling. Silly me.
By focusing on mailing the "big" ones and excluding GI domains you really won't need some intricate process of perfection to stay in the game...this allows you to easily deploy new servers and scale up or start new operations from scratch with relative ease. You will also be able to focus on maximizing your delivered email and campaign performance vs monitoring your IPs, blacklists, complaints and all the nonsense that a high volume GI mailer would need to contend with.
I mail GI and some TLD, so I do understand the argument towards TLD being less hassle, but only to an extent. To begin with, TLD is NOT easy to start from scratch. You can't simply purchase 5mm records, mail it and start making money as we all know. During this cleaning process you will likely get blocked relatively fast and now you're playing the IP game like you would be with GI - and you need a lot more IPs than GI. When people talk to so highly of TLDs they need to remember how difficult it is to start. had a few other points but it's stuff that we all know anyway so I'll forget about it. But overall, there are plenty of GI mailers making really great money. That being said, mailing GI does not necessarily make you a noob. GI is just where most people start out, and many stay with it even after venturing into other domains.
I'm not trolling... I asked the pointed questions for the purpose of learning...in my world, when someone doesn't know something, and lack the reference point or past experience to logically synthesize an answer or approach...I'll ask... Solarus, if it bothers you that I was being up front...well I can't do anything about it...we can talk about it at summit, over a few drinks...either way, I'm not trolling. I agree with some of you about TLD...I started it, and it seemed more of a hassle to get going, and I was simply looking for faster results...moreover, at this stage of my GI experience...my losses of IP's are very minimal. Thanks for some of the answers..
How is that you made 400k in 2 months and you're asking about IPs and being a noob? Unless we are reading this wrong.
I never asked about Ip's.... but about the opinions of fellow mailers on my current payment terms. And a simple reference about my understanding on starting to venture into mailing the big 3. I have a better idea, so no one gets bothered...simply tell me what I can ask and not ask....so you who are getting upset, don't get all twisted. So when we are all done answering questions to your questions, we can all move into blue buildings in north korea.
"Biweekly" can mean twice a week, or every two weeks, so you'd need to expand upon that, but in general, do you want to be paid faster than weekly? Weekly is usually a fair/solid timeframe for most networks provided you're sending them good traffic. Many moons ago, GI was considered the easiest to mail simply because you could mail millions without any serious warmup. But now, with traps, complaints, etc. Today, GI is the 'cowboys' method of choice, and TLD is for the white collars who have the infrastructure/techniques to warm and play the game. I say cowboy with tongue in cheek, but it's the best descriptor I can think.. because today, GI is a deadly war, a battle between you, and all the forces in the world that exist to stop you. Think of it as the front lines of email battle (I'm full of useless metaphors today). Ideally? Mail everything. There is no reason why you can't. Just don't mail TLD on the same IPs that break in GI or you could lose all your warmup time and energy. Keep your operation divided so the TLD focuses on TLD/cables and the GI stuff (on separate ISPs) can take the heat without affecting the TLD side of things. This is all correct, you are at a huge advantage with Yahoo if you can get your data from another source other than BS co-reg half the lazy spammers get for $1000 a month... get good data, optin, and warm slow and steady for 30 days... you can see why you need both GI and TLD going at the same time, one is for immediate income, the other is for long-term rep .. almost like picking a stock portfolio. (another ugly metaphor) Share some tips, let's get you in the Penthouse if they're good!
GI is still considered the easiest way to mail. If any one thinks that it's hard they pretty much fail at mailing. GI isn't a deadly war. It's a throw shit on the wall and see what sticks method.
noobtube i think you just need to start over because your topic & questions aren't clear at all mailers who do at least 5k/week get weekly wires on most networks, some networks require higher volume than that to pay weekly, and some refuse to pay weekly at all and will only pay monthly regardless of how high your volume is. usually only guys who do social/display type of stuff with a high daily spend get daily wires. sometimes (fairly rarely) direct advertisers will offer daily wires to individual mailers if there is no ad network between you two and you are going direct. if you're doing hundreds of thousands with GI already you're not a noob.
BULLSHIT. Sorry Crackpot, you're a good guy, and I like you, but you have no idea what you're talking about on this one. But before I call you a total hosehead, let's get our definitions clear first, because I think that's where we're in disagreement. By the definition of "easy to mail", do you mean the ability to just load a list, hit send, and get delivery, or are you talking about overall, easier? Because if you're talking about the latter, TLD is much easier in my book. It's much less stressful (when done properly and legitimately) and nowhere near the pain and frustration of GI and the daily headaches. Easier? If GI were easier, why arent you mailing it then bro?
