Yahoo, AOL, Hotmail and Gmail per hour limit

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  1. varun

    varun New Member

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    I am wondering what could be the per hour message limite for Yahoo, AOL Hotmail and Gmail. I am getting bounce messages for Yahoo and AOL with service temporary unavailable. I googled and found somewhere that limit per hour could be the problem. I have tried many combination but I think it will be better if I ask to some experienced mailers.

    I am sending from 1 domain with 125 IPs, I have seted-up the DNS, RDNS, SPF and DKIM recored. I have checked my SMTP and DNS settings with online available tools, no problem reported by this tools but still soft bounces become high when I increased the volume.

    Please help me out in this.

    Thanks,
     
  2. nickphx

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    1 domain with 125 ips? lol. wow. That's not optimal.
     
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    Why this is the best kept secret on this forum, I have no idea, but that's a fact.
     
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    Why should someone share what they've had to figure out for themselves with time and wasted resources? How could one possibly benefit by doing that?
     
  5. varun

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    Because that's why forum and community is.. to helping each other
     
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    Well let me know how that works out for you. I didn't get to where I'm at today by relying on other people to do my work.

    One obvious problem with your setup is the large amount of IP addresses.. 125 IPs all using 1 domain? That's not a typical setup and it's an obvious noob mailer thinks lots of ips = better delivery. I would use 1 domain and no more than 5 ips per domain. I would ramp up slowly. If you know that you send X to yahoo before getting TSXX , send X - 10% . Do that for a few days, check inbox/spam folder placement with different seeds. Then add X + 10%, let it run a few days, make sure you're not getting TSXX.. Check folder placement.. If you're not getting deferrals and inbox placement is decent, add another 10%.. None of this matters though if your data has high bounces or causes an abnormal volume of complaints..
     
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    Yeah.. And those clients probably make a consistent and stable fuck all per day. ;)
     
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    varun, there are too many variables to get a simple answer to your question. you need to find out what works for your approach to mailing and that means some trial and error. some mailers do well, on a single domain per /24 and others do well on 1 domain per 5 IPs.
     
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    Always talking about gradual increasing durung warming up. But what's the best strategy when you're starting to get into spam folders, to get blocked?
    Does the stepping back help, or it's better to stay on today's throttle level and wait, only sending to more clickable lists?
    Pausing in sending in such cases - does it lead to the mend or to the worsening?
     
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    I have to agree that one sending domain for an entire /24 seems underkill here... SG, can you please confirm using this method you are successfully hitting all the majors 24/7 inboxing? Or junking? And what is the average lifespan of your /24s using this method? And how much mail are you actually getting out per day? Doesn't sound significant...
     
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    He's getting how hundreds a day to the big 4.
     
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    I replied to your insult with an insult. If you can't take an insult don't attempt to insult others. You have a different idea of what "works" and is "consistent". I would rather have an unstable, inconsistent mailer that brings in ~500k/mo than a stable and consistent 5k/month.
     
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    Again everything off topic : (
     
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    I used 20 ips and 20 domains to reach those numbers.
     
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    And where exactly is your contribution that is on topic and answers the question? Oh, there isn't one? Jackass.

    I attempted to answer the question. This question has been asked countless times on this forum. Everyone has a different method and system that they have RESEARCHED and WORKED on to achieve their results.

    It's irritating that people assume they can ask such questions and receive definitive answers then cry when nobody gives up the details. If they spent the same amount of time working on and testing various rates and configurations they would figure it out on their own. I guess it's easier to be an entitled fuck stick that expects everyone to cater to their needs and provide everything they need simply because they asked.
     
  17. Daansen

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    Jackass is your grandpa and you are his incontinent anus. That's my answer to your question. What are you looking for in Noob Central? If you don't want to help, sit back in your penthouse and enjoy your coolness. Concerning MY contribution to THIS topic, I am the one who is trying to find an answer to some ontopic related question, but not from you, because your position is clear from your first post here, don't waste your stuff.
     
  18. DoldGigga

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    I think we need a disclaimer here that "noob" does not equate to "entitled to free handouts". If your approach was you actually doing something yourself, running to a problem, and asking for advice you may have received a better answer...but no, you are just asking for freebies.

    The real answer is that there is no special "secret" rate aside from the fact that if you're starting to mail from "fresh" IPs you cannot just dump millions per IP and expect not to get blacklisted. Even if you follow a warm-up schedule where you send a few thousand and increase the amount you send each day in small increments there are a lot of factors that can influence the amount of email that any TLD will accept before deferring you or blocking you altogether.

    I would not recommend using a /24 to mail any TLD. An assortment of /29s to /27s on different subnets works better...and obviously you'd want a unique domain, DNS and HTTP running on each of those IP blocks.
     
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    Just my 2c, I've been split testing domain to IP ratio the past few months, I can see the benefits of using more domains per /24 but as of such they are not greatly significant, I have only been split testing the past 2 months so time will tell more.

    But I have sent the same openers list split in half and swapped it around multiple times to test each half on each server and I'm just not seeing much of a difference in delivery or inboxing.

    On one server I was using a 1:10 ratio and another 1:/25 ratio, but I guess a lot would come down to the individuals mailing practices and how well they look after the IP's there using
     
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    I know atleast 2 ESPs which follows 1 domain per c class configuration, one is DA and Goldbar. I hope damian would chime in and through some light....i have had good success with both ESPs.
     

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